There are times I wish I was more involved in the ...
Anonymous · 2013-05-08T03:33:17.828000
There are times I wish I was more involved in the Python community, and whenever I consider it, all it takes is wading into the comments on any post about the Adria Richards incident for me to be relieved I haven't bothered. I can't believe a community I consider myself a part of has so many foul, small-minded, vindictive misogynists in it.
Whatever her failings, the Python community needs more people like Adria Richards in it, and far, far fewer of the mouth-breathers attacking her. Sadly, I think the mouth-breathers are winning.
As far as I can tell, that statement was published...
Anonymous · 2013-05-08T09:02:20.367000
As far as I can tell, that statement was published a month and a half ago, only 10 days after the incident.
I just wish this particular aspect of the code of ...
PrometheeFeu · 2013-05-10T04:35:47.534000
I just wish this particular aspect of the code of conduct wasn't there. I wholeheartedly support banning sexual harassment, insults, etc... I also support banning things such as inherently racist, misogynistic or otherwise wrongly-discriminatory speech.
However, I also very much oppose the ban on conference attendees discussing sexual topics. There is nothing inherently offensive, threatening or otherwise damaging about discussing sex and this is very much one of those cases where those who take offense need to learn to live in a world where not everyone will bow to their rules.
@PrometheeFeu: What on earth makes you think there...
Steve · 2013-05-10T05:09:21.883000
@PrometheeFeu: What on earth makes you think there is a ban on discussion of sexual topics? The aim is to avoid a hostile environment for all delegates, not to restrict specific topics of discussion. Perhaps you should read the code of conduct again ...
@Steve:
From the pycon code of conduct:
https://...
PrometheeFeu · 2013-05-10T06:57:14.747000
@Steve:
From the pycon code of conduct:
https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/
"Sexual language and imagery is not appropriate for any conference venue, including talks."
The policy on which the code of conduct was based can be found here: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy
The Geek Feminism policy on which the CoC was based specifically proposes an addendum to provide an exception for discussing among other things "sex" in a very limited manner. The Geek Feminism wiki page recommends against including the addendum in question. The PyCon CoC does not include the addendum.
I think it's pretty clear that the CoC treats any sexual topic as inherently offensive and bans them.
This particular event actually is a good example of this. The men whom Adria complained about made general sexual comments which were not specifically offensive. The violated the CoC.
There are times I wish I was more involved in the ...
Anonymous · 2013-05-08T03:33:17.828000
There are times I wish I was more involved in the Python community, and whenever I consider it, all it takes is wading into the comments on any post about the Adria Richards incident for me to be relieved I haven't bothered. I can't believe a community I consider myself a part of has so many foul, small-minded, vindictive misogynists in it.Whatever her failings, the Python community needs more people like Adria Richards in it, and far, far fewer of the mouth-breathers attacking her. Sadly, I think the mouth-breathers are winning.
As far as I can tell, that statement was published...
Anonymous · 2013-05-08T09:02:20.367000
As far as I can tell, that statement was published a month and a half ago, only 10 days after the incident.I just wish this particular aspect of the code of ...
PrometheeFeu · 2013-05-10T04:35:47.534000
I just wish this particular aspect of the code of conduct wasn't there. I wholeheartedly support banning sexual harassment, insults, etc... I also support banning things such as inherently racist, misogynistic or otherwise wrongly-discriminatory speech.However, I also very much oppose the ban on conference attendees discussing sexual topics. There is nothing inherently offensive, threatening or otherwise damaging about discussing sex and this is very much one of those cases where those who take offense need to learn to live in a world where not everyone will bow to their rules.
@PrometheeFeu: What on earth makes you think there...
Steve · 2013-05-10T05:09:21.883000
@PrometheeFeu: What on earth makes you think there is a ban on discussion of sexual topics? The aim is to avoid a hostile environment for all delegates, not to restrict specific topics of discussion. Perhaps you should read the code of conduct again ...@Steve: From the pycon code of conduct: https://...
PrometheeFeu · 2013-05-10T06:57:14.747000
@Steve:From the pycon code of conduct:
https://us.pycon.org/2013/about/code-of-conduct/
"Sexual language and imagery is not appropriate for any conference venue, including talks."
The policy on which the code of conduct was based can be found here: http://geekfeminism.wikia.com/wiki/Conference_anti-harassment/Policy
The Geek Feminism policy on which the CoC was based specifically proposes an addendum to provide an exception for discussing among other things "sex" in a very limited manner. The Geek Feminism wiki page recommends against including the addendum in question. The PyCon CoC does not include the addendum.
I think it's pretty clear that the CoC treats any sexual topic as inherently offensive and bans them.
This particular event actually is a good example of this. The men whom Adria complained about made general sexual comments which were not specifically offensive. The violated the CoC.
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